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Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Mattpoet » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:43 pm

Congratulations Cam Smith who will break the all-time NRL appearances record this week.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby yourhero » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:50 pm

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Scooter » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:57 pm

Mattpoet wrote:Congratulations Cam Smith who will break the all-time NRL appearances record this week.


Well done Cam. And funnily enough I read this post at 3:56pm.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Mattpoet » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:27 pm

Scooter wrote:
Mattpoet wrote:Congratulations Cam Smith who will break the all-time NRL appearances record this week.


Well done Cam. And funnily enough I read this post at 3:56pm.


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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby RobbieRoss » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:42 pm

On SEN tonight, around 6.30pm, the hosts pushed strongly the idea of a statue being erected to honour Cameron Smith. They spoke with almost reverence about him. The hosts are very AFL-centric. Their comments show how much impact Cameron has had in this town.

Likewise on AFL360 on Fox. The hosts of that show love him.

It should not be underestimated what an extraordinary contribution Cameron Smith has made to the Storm and to rugby league. A superb player, a class person, a wonderful role model.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Storm Spirit » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:01 pm

can anyone shed any light on ISC jersey sizes...would love to order a Cam Smith 356 jersey but not sure of the size. I have an S Koogah Storm jersey from 3 years ago....should I say with ISC Small or go to xs as I heard ISC apparel is slightly larger ??

thanks in advance...
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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Mattpoet » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:23 pm

My obligatory statistical breakdown of Cam Smith:

Games : 453 - 355 (NRL), 2 (World Club Challenge), 42 (Origin), 50 (Test), 4 (All Stars)
Tries : 56 - 42 (NRL), 5 (Origin), 9 (Test)
Goals : 1063 - 993 (NRL), 8 (World Club Challenge), 18 (Origin), 42 (Test), 2 (All Stars)
Field Goals : 3 - 3 (NRL)
Points : 2353 - 2157 (NRL), 16 (World Club Challenge), 56 (Origin), 120 (Test), 4 (All Stars)

Titles -
Premiership - 2007, 2009, 2012
Minor Premiership - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2016, 2017
World Club Challenge - 2010, 2013
Club Championship - 2011
Origin - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017
World Cup -2013
Four Nations - 2009, 2011, 2016
Tri Nations - 2006

Storm Player of the Year - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2009 (Runner Up), 2010 (Runner Up), 2015 (Runner Up), 2016 (Runner Up)
Storm Best Forward - 2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016
Storm Members' Player of the Year - 2013, 2016
Storm Rookie of the Year - 2003
Dally M Winner - 2006
Dally M Representative Player of the Year - 2007, 2001, 2013, 2016
Dally M Hooker - 2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
Dally M Captain - 2011, 2013
Golden Boot - 2007, 2011 (Runner Up)
Ron McAuliffe Medal - 2005, 2007, 2013
Wally Lewis Medal - 2007, 2011, 2013
World Club Challenge Medal - 2010
World XIII Hooker - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

Has averaged 39.72 tackles, 1.29 tackle busts, 0.17 line breaks, 0.3 line break assists, 57.37 run metres, 0.6 offloads and 0.34 try assists per game for the Storm.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Mattpoet » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:24 pm

yourhero wrote:GOAT

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Danger D » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:18 am

Mattpoet wrote:My obligatory statistical breakdown of Cam Smith:

Games : 453 - 355 (NRL), 2 (World Club Challenge), 42 (Origin), 50 (Test), 4 (All Stars)
Tries : 56 - 42 (NRL), 5 (Origin), 9 (Test)
Goals : 1063 - 993 (NRL), 8 (World Club Challenge), 18 (Origin), 42 (Test), 2 (All Stars)
Field Goals : 3 - 3 (NRL)
Points : 2353 - 2157 (NRL), 16 (World Club Challenge), 56 (Origin), 120 (Test), 4 (All Stars)

Titles -
Premiership - 2007, 2009, 2012
Minor Premiership - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2016, 2017
World Club Challenge - 2010, 2013
Club Championship - 2011
Origin - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017
World Cup -2013
Four Nations - 2009, 2011, 2016
Tri Nations - 2006

Storm Player of the Year - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2009 (Runner Up), 2010 (Runner Up), 2015 (Runner Up), 2016 (Runner Up)
Storm Best Forward - 2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016
Storm Members' Player of the Year - 2013, 2016
Storm Rookie of the Year - 2003
Dally M Winner - 2006
Dally M Representative Player of the Year - 2007, 2001, 2013, 2016
Dally M Hooker - 2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
Dally M Captain - 2011, 2013
Golden Boot - 2007, 2011 (Runner Up)
Ron McAuliffe Medal - 2005, 2007, 2013
Wally Lewis Medal - 2007, 2011, 2013
World Club Challenge Medal - 2010
World XIII Hooker - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

Has averaged 39.72 tackles, 1.29 tackle busts, 0.17 line breaks, 0.3 line break assists, 57.37 run metres, 0.6 offloads and 0.34 try assists per game for the Storm.

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Looks like he's just missing a Clive Churchill medal. Fingers crossed 2017 is his year!

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby Mattpoet » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:21 am

I'll second that

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby yourhero » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:27 pm

He should add another Dally M to that list in a few weeks time... Smithy has seemingly always featured quite prominently in Dally M voting so I had a quick look at how he has finished each year on the tally.

Smithy
2017 - Odds on favourite to win.
2016 - 3rd
2015 - 6th
2014 - 7th
2013 - 5th
2012 - 5th
2011 - 9th
2010 - Missed Top 10
2009 - Missed Top 10
2008 - 2nd
2007 - 3rd
2006 - 1st
2005 - Unknown
2004 - Unknown
2003 - Unknown

Brilliant in its consistency at an elite level. Surpassed only by Thurston whose record is quite amazing and who has not had the same issue with other superstars competing for Dally M points his entire career. You could also make the argument that halves/backs do a lot better in these awards due to the natural flair associated with the positions. For comparison, here is Thurston's record;

JT
2017 - Won't feature in Top 10 due to injury.
2016 - 3rd
2015 - 1st
2014 - 1st
2013 - 2nd
2012 - 4th
2011 - 4th
2010 - Missed Top 10
2009 - 2nd
2008 - Missed Top 10
2007 - 1st
2006 - 5th
2005 - 1st
2004 - Unknown.
2003 - Unknown.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby blazza18 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:35 pm

This really isn't the place for it but the Dally M medal is quite honestly the worst. It's an award won totally on bias towards certain players and clubs from people who have no place voting on such things. The fact that Smith has only won one and Lockyer zero says everything about the award. Not to mention blokes like Hayne playing well for 9 weeks and winning it.

Anyway the kinda rant over. Cam Smith GOAT etc..

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby yourhero » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:56 pm

blazza18 wrote:This really isn't the place for it but the Dally M medal is quite honestly the worst. It's an award won totally on bias towards certain players and clubs from people who have no place voting on such things. The fact that Smith has only won one and Lockyer zero says everything about the award. Not to mention blokes like Hayne playing well for 9 weeks and winning it.


The same could be said on any of these kinds of awards - Clive Churchill (or any form of MOTM). It is an arbitrarily applied qualitative measure based on how the person making the decision feels in the heat of the moment... But what is the alternative? Rely purely on some form of stats formula? No thanks... I think you will equally agree that isn't the way to judge how well someone played.

At least it is getting better. With the award rule/process changes made this year it has at least a bit more credibility.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby blazza18 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:09 pm

I don't see anything wrong with having a proper selection panel that consists of selected media member and/or refs/coaches voting at the end of the season much like they do in MLB/NFL/NBA. Actually finding the qualified people might be the hard part though.

And that can't be any worse than having "the Cowboys played well and Thurston set up that one try so I'll give him the 3 votes" process that currently goes on.

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Re: Cam Smith - 356 Games

Postby yourhero » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:25 pm

As I said, I really think they have moved in the right direction this year with the changes made. Particularly getting rid of media personalities and handing voting rights to ex-players exclusively. Still subject to bias and interpretation, sure. But less so than if morons like Rothfield are getting a say.

2017 Voting Process

Voting for the Dally M Medal utilises a 3, 2, 1 point allocation after each Premiership match, with 3 points awarded to the player the judge believed to have been the best on field, 2 points for the second best and 1 point for the third best. Points for each match and the Dally M leader board are publicly available during the first 14 rounds of the competition. After this, voting goes behind closed doors, with anticipation building to the announcement of the winner during Grand Final Week.

The Team of the Year recognises the best player in each position across the 26 rounds. The 2017 event will see the addition of the interchange position to the Team of the Year, acknowledging the importance of impact players in the modern game and their ability to change the momentum of a match and influence the outcome. Consistent with the Dally M Medal, Team of the Year voting occurs after each regular season premiership match. Players who receive Dally M Medal points will automatically receive respective 3, 2, 1 Team of the Year points in their position. Players selected for the remaining positions will receive 1 Team of the Year point in their position.

All votes are submitted by judges at the conclusion of each Premiership match. Prior to the submission of votes, judges are provided with the match summary and key individual statistics to help inform their vote. Accounting firm Ernst & Young collects and manages votes, reporting the results to the NRL at the conclusion of the 26 Premiership rounds.

Players who are suspended throughout the season are deducted three Dally M points for each week of suspension. Any player who is suspended for two separate offences in any one season becomes ineligible for the Dally M Medal and Team of the Year.


Judging Panel

The Awards and Recognition Committee invites a respected panel of retired players to adjudicate on the Dally M awards each year. Judges must be retired from elite rugby league for a minimum of two years.

The 2017 judging panel includes:
Greg Alexander
Braith Anasta
Richie Barnett
Gary Belcher
Monty Betham
Darryl Brohman
Danny Buderus
Brett Finch
Joe Galuvao
Mark Gasnier
Ryan Girdler
Daryl Halligan
Andrew Johns
Dallas Johnson
Brett Kimmorley
Darren Lockyer
Steve Menzies
Steve Roach
Andrew Ryan
Jimmy Smith
Peter Sterling
Alan Tongue
Kevin Walters


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